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Post by Wednesday on Aug 22, 2012 10:29:16 GMT -5
Uhm, i'm just saying this. I've never bought a pass, yet I've been the top breeder of Holsteiners and now... I think the 3rd best of RDH- why this is possible? because noone cares about those breeds. Sure, it's pretty annoying that you can't get into the top of the popular breeds, still you could manage if you were willing to invest enough passes and time (which I wouldn't be. I just do it for fun). And the market and the coverings are certainly a problem, though without the public coverings I could have never made enough money to fund my breeding.
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Post by zeryxis on Aug 22, 2012 13:10:37 GMT -5
Still, it's frustrating to have most any given breed (especially ones you adore, like I do with Fjords because they look a good deal like stripeless zebras IMO) be impossible to get anywhere near the top ranking for genetics. Sure you dont HAVE to get top GP, but if someone wants it, they pretty much are blocked by the breeding groups that keep their studs out of public reach and refuse to sell ungelded males or prime mares. Yes I understand they got to that point, but now they are pretty much guaranteeing they will have no competition.
over 50 GP between top public stallions and top GP rank? You wont reach it. Even 20 GP would be hard to gain.
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Post by 1010marina on Aug 23, 2012 7:41:48 GMT -5
I think what people are missing is that people have gain on the top groups. Look at MRSA - as far as I can remember, Excelsis Deo have been top for gallop and now Marwaris are! Its been a long, long time since Marwaris were anywhere near the top gp.
Sure, it might take you 1000 passes or more to get there, but with a group of dedicated people it is possible and it can be done.
Here's a question.... if you spent hundreds of passes (that you earned, not bought), would you release ALL of your horses into the sales, for cheap prices? Every single one of your top gp? Would you risk it? I definitely wouldn't...
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Post by Canuk on Aug 23, 2012 9:48:39 GMT -5
I think the point is that the "elite" players need to remember that they weren't always elite players. When a breed has 100+ points over teh available or available studs throwing a bone to a player now and then by means of a point or two over available will not kill their breeding plans. It takes a lot of nerve to ask for a cover directly from the elite players because the majority of them have an "I'm better then you" attitude. Players have gotten to the "why bother" point with them.
I don't even see the point in listing covers anymore because within an hour an elite member comes by and one ups me. This has happened to me with FIVE breeds this month ... even the less popular breed I was giving a go.
I'm ready to just quit everything for a while and now that the new Warcraft expansion has a release date next month I know where I will be spending my money and spare time ... there.
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Post by Wednesday on Aug 23, 2012 10:24:08 GMT -5
I think what people are missing is that people have gain on the top groups. Look at MRSA - as far as I can remember, Excelsis Deo have been top for gallop and now Marwaris are! Its been a long, long time since Marwaris were anywhere near the top gp. Sure, it might take you 1000 passes or more to get there, but with a group of dedicated people it is possible and it can be done. Here's a question.... if you spent hundreds of passes (that you earned, not bought), would you release ALL of your horses into the sales, for cheap prices? Every single one of your top gp? Would you risk it? I definitely wouldn't... I think this is exactely the point. Of course- it's really really annoying for the top breeds, but it could be done if you were willing to work up your OWN bloodline? And I have my own bloodline, sure it's hard work. And I'm clearly not close to the top horses, but I guess, if I was willing to invest real money in my breeding, I could catch up eventually. Well, I'm not. So I'm not complaining about not getting there. I understand that it is harder with popular breeds, then again- if you were in the position of the top breeders having bought/earned this position- I think I may say this, you wouldn't react so differently. You say this now, thinking it's unfair, that you have no chance to be getting to the top, but once you were in their position, after the annoying work of having spent hours of BLUPing, you would like to keep that position for a while. I'm sorry if I have offended you or anything. But this is my honest opinion on this.
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Post by zeryxis on Aug 23, 2012 12:06:26 GMT -5
The point isnt that they worked their way up, but that they are completely blocking anyone else from doing so. Sure they have the right to keep their earnings, but when it's a 100% no-chance that someone can top them, what's the point? You know you're on top, you have no competition anymore. It's not a race anymore, it's just simply building a larger wall against anyone else trying to do the same.
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Post by Canuk on Aug 23, 2012 13:40:59 GMT -5
well said zeryxis ... I think that you are one of the few people who get the point of what I am saying.
when a few players hold the top it bars everyone and everything. When was the last time a non elite player won a grand prix or even placed in the top 10 or 20? the average player can't even buy a horse that has a chance to win.
Then you have rosettes, yes, you can buy skiller horses that are likely to win some rosettes but even then the elite are running their skiller horses against the one you just paid 20 passes for and it's going to kick your butt 90% of the time. Why can't howrse come to their senses and have rosette comps for horses with under 20? They do it for new horses with under 20 wins.
When you have no competition you didn't earn your way to the top you maintained your place at the top. When you have 100+ points between yourself and the nearest competition you don't have to work at anything you just spend the time stomping others, breeding and stomping again. Players don't like that and even if there isn't a rule against it that doesn't make it fair or right.
Enjoy your place at the top I hope someone in your group messes up and you go the way of the Nokota elite ... stomped by a player who earned their way there and has to work to maintain it.
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Post by bedazzled1600 on Aug 23, 2012 21:33:58 GMT -5
Doubt it. They are top for a reason.
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Post by action on Aug 24, 2012 8:04:45 GMT -5
I also have a very unpleasant experience dealing with the top groups.
I have managed to gather up a nice reserve in the last months and i thought of buying a skiller filly/colt, to get some rosettes and maybe even a place from the Prix. Sent a mail to the group leader and notified her of my buying wish.
No reply.
Okay, she probably read my letter and then forgot about it, happens, right? That weeks Prix had already passed, so i waited for few more days and PMed her again. And for reply i got: "We won't sell to you, your karma would ruin our reputation." (Got -2 karma, for expressing my opinions on the forums too freely)
...really? I have got mothing (much) against the elites about the GP race* but that arrogant behavior is just too much.
* I understand and agree with Canuk about the GP race but as for breeding top-gp has never been my main goal, it doesn't hurt me very much.
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Post by Wednesday on Aug 24, 2012 8:28:51 GMT -5
I know they're blocking people from getting to the top.
But, if I may ask, do you expect them to do?
And that answer about ruining the reputation definately shocked me, that is really rude. I think keeping their top horses to themselves is fine, but if they sell, they should sell to anybody who asks. o.o
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Post by irene19 on Sept 18, 2012 19:48:46 GMT -5
One of these days Xellossnut is gonna quit...and Imperial Demons will topple...you'll see... just as pigs WILL fly... and chaos will ensue as we battle for the top!
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Post by irene19 on Jan 10, 2013 19:31:14 GMT -5
I just like to say that a team of underage players, War Fox, broke the ranks for friesians and held out on top for about a week before imperial demons took over again. So the truth is, you can succeed with hard work and passes, as they have shown, but the trick I believe is that you have to act like an elite group with tight rules and to stick to it. I think they're breeding under the affix of pitch black now.
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