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Post by Canuk on Mar 28, 2012 13:53:44 GMT -5
I decided to post a thread about the GP race, but I made it a visual thing for y'all so that you can see and understand what these elite players are doing to you and how they are killing the market and the breeds they play.
Appaloosa <--------------- The breed
Highest GP -- 1419 <--------------- The top elite horse GP
Highest Stud GP -- 1333 <--------------- The best available stud GP
All of the statistics are based on purebred (not crossbreed) horses.
So in the case of the Appaloosa
> The best cover you can possibly get is 1333GP
> That is 86 GP difference
Even in the sales these so called "elite" breeders only offer geldings (what good is a fully trained gelding?) ... The might offer a mare or a stallion on occasion but even then they only offer horses below or right at the GP level of the best available stud.
Even if you do manage to get a horse to be above the highest available GP stud you're screwed because the second you post it as available for covers these greedy elite players will post a stud with a slightly higher GP.
Why pay 20 passes for a gelding?
Why pay 20 passes for a mare who you can't breed to better stock?
Why pay 20 passes for a stallion you won't be able to profit from covers on?
Then you see their pathetic attempts to lure you in by offering horses for 4+ passes. Don't fall for this because even if it is a mare you won't be able to cover her with a better quality stallion. The GP gain from the foals is worthless.
Don't fall for their lines about Skiller horses either.
Skiller horses are only of value to you for EC bonus. To get EC bonus you need horse breeds with high dressage skill (over 500) in order to raise your EC prestige.
You do not need high skill horses of your own to run your comps ... just by offering high skill level comps through your EC and having other players run in them will raise the comp and EC prestige.
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Post by jumperpink on Apr 5, 2012 15:31:38 GMT -5
Agreed, not worth 20 passes for an unbreedable horse. Plus the GP/skills just keep climbing and your horse will soon be laughed at if you say it has tops skills..
"Ha! 2200 skills? We've gotten wayy higher"
So overall I don't pay much for skillers, I buy them once and awhile, and that's it.
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Post by kisu on Apr 15, 2012 19:46:53 GMT -5
I dunno, due to BioHazard releasing a ton of their 1500+gp horses, I now have stallions and mares. I know someone will get higher eventually. Plus, since Sikoa and United Arabs saw Biohazard flooding the market, they did it as well, getting the highest prices they could while they could. Before this, the 1300's were usually the highest public covering you could get for a mare, but now so many people have them. It's gonna be hard for those breeding groups to recover...
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Post by Canuk on Apr 15, 2012 20:47:42 GMT -5
check out my GP stats thread it's interesting to see how the purebred GP raised so much over just a couple of weeks.
I'm sitting back from breeding until the market quiets down again. collecting age points and stocking up on my parchment horses for now.
I'm on an EC skiller kick at the moment so Friesians are my breed of choice for that. EC skillers maintain their value because the dressage skills can only raise so much per generation and they still make your EC good. My best EC skiller currently has about 580 dressage and she's still young (18).
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Post by katarah on Apr 20, 2012 10:10:33 GMT -5
I was wondering, is it worth to buy the Wild horse for 12 passes?
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Post by zeryxis on Apr 20, 2012 12:15:44 GMT -5
I was wondering, is it worth to buy the Wild horse for 12 passes? I kinda doubt it, since to even break even on buying him, you'd need to gather 120 diamonds from it, which I doubt would happen, since I think I've only gotten 2 diamonds out of my Misaki (which I dont mind, I got it cuz I wanted it, not for the profit) and she's almost 7 years old. |
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Post by kadiezi on Apr 20, 2012 12:45:55 GMT -5
I was wondering, is it worth to buy the Wild horse for 12 passes? As Zeryxis said, not really, unless you buy it for the GP/novelty aspect, since you're losing most of the passes you spent on it. |
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Post by katarah on Apr 20, 2012 12:47:38 GMT -5
Hm, thanks for the advice.
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Post by mistyluvu on Jul 18, 2012 10:46:46 GMT -5
That is true.
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Post by elle on Aug 4, 2012 15:48:43 GMT -5
To be quite fair, I agree, but it is the only way my team and any other top GP team can profit from sales and keep their distance to avoid threats.
The skillers on the other hand can be useful in many ways, Comp earnings, Prix, EC, and I usually make about 5 passes on the sale of a 20 passes skiller just from the items used to make it.
Nyx, Bonus pack, Harmony, Cloud pack... It's only the GP you are paying for over this.
Overall I agree but some points are argueable
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irene19
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Post by irene19 on Aug 9, 2012 10:40:30 GMT -5
Hi, got some stats:
Nokota
Highest stud: 1707.4
Highest GP: 1713.7
Seems like breeding Nokotas could take you to the top!
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Post by bedazzled1600 on Aug 19, 2012 11:26:23 GMT -5
Obviously not, as the breeding group who is top makes a bigger sales gap every day.
And this is untrue, the top players don't put everything in the sales so that they can actually preserve their work.
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Post by Canuk on Aug 19, 2012 14:43:30 GMT -5
yes but about a month ago the nokota breeders made a mistake and "released" a horse by accident.
you can get an accurate reading of what the highest GP is by looking at the purebred rankings (as the results are from the previous day and are NOT based on the sales but rather on the highest GP in the game for the breed (in this situation)
so according to the rankings the highest GP for an ADULT nokota horse as of refresh is: 1729.42
and currently the highest GP available (breedable) for a nokota horse in the sales is: 1726.45
and as of the time I am writing this the highest available stud cover is: 1724.94
so by using some simple math you can accurately guess that the top breeding group is at about 1735 (ish) GP by the end of the day making them about 6 points above what is available in the sales.
compare that to another breed like, say, Arabian horses:
top: 1768.28
sales: 1683.36
stud: 1682.54
so the arabian breeders are about 86 points above what is offered in the sales as breedable. No way you can catch up to that by breeding your butt off. Most breeds are like this.
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irene19
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Post by irene19 on Aug 20, 2012 12:53:31 GMT -5
I guess. But I think the best breeding groups would have something like this: One player breeds a horse and completes the foal games and rides, and some training, passes the horse off to the another player for BLUPing. Then the player breeds the horse for a foal, finishes the games and rides, and passes it to the other player. It's like rotating meadows, when one player gets a chance to rest and round up more resources while the other player trains.
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Post by Canuk on Aug 20, 2012 16:28:42 GMT -5
well the GP only went up 5 points between refreshes for Nokota horses today so it could be close if a group of players did want a GP run. you can easily pull a 0.50 to 0.75 GP gain per generation so breeding parent to foal (or foal to parent) you could gain 5 GP points in 7 - 10 breedings ... placing you on par with the top GP ... it is within reach since they messed up. It is the only breed that even has a chance of being passed in the rankings.
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